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Ok....
I've read through this entire thread..... with no solution in site.
My server was shut down 4 days after signing up and paying for it.....
This
abuse policy is either non-existant or deeply hidden at sign up... not
to mention I went through the effort of calling a sales person and
presented about 20 questions including usage limits with no mention.
We were hovering about 6% server load...
I
have to say I was a bit surprised and angered by the action of
suspending my account. Being the diplomatic person I am... I
disabled
a great many features of the site, trimmed old comments (down to 2
weeks), tweaked out some code and a number of other things.
I
went so far as to disallow any logins and activity for 2 hours....
during this 2 hours server load stayed at 2 to 3%. So I
investigated
further (not wanting to be shut off again) and found that yahoo slurp
and gigabot are slamming the site with excessive repetative
hits.
So..... I procede to ban thier IP pools.... only to find out that the
server setup still responds to these bots with error codes and expends
resources logging the rejections and so on. So... I cannot
even by
disallowing any users to log in and use the site get under Lunarpages
acceptable limit.
Anyway, I am a persistant person looking to
at least optimize what I can... hence I come to this forum.... I find
that connect is preferred over pconnect. I make the changes
and then
proceed to watch my Server Load Double!
OK Ladies and
Getlemen of Lunarpages employ.... If you really want people to remain
customers you would offer solutions... I've read 5 pages of posts with
the only suggestions be.... spend more money (oh and that may not work
for you), go somewhere else, or reduce your site to useless drivel that
no one would bother to visit (waste your money).
I'm sorry if
this sounds a bit harsh, however I grow weary of trying to fix a
problem that is beyond fixing. The file and transfer limits
convey the
image of a service that is quite hearty, when indeed it is
not. I feel
a bit decieved and very let down.
Now... I am running a PHP site
that uses mysql (presently a 75mb database). It is expandable
by
adding modules and those modules are then hooked via a database
entry... soo... the pages are all built and loaded via database
entries. Thus seemingly making such a situation
unusable.
So.... are there any entries in the php.ini that can help?
Is there any real research as to what is better pconnect or connect?
What really can be done to reduce server load?
Is there a php cache package installed on the servers? (I was told
there is) as they reduce load greatly.
I have a query caching scheme at work on the server and even with 3
people logged in I am at 6 to 7%...
I need help before LP shuts me down again.....
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lonnyl
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As
an additional note.... somethings amiss....
I currently have 15 users logged in (A current max that I have set) and
Server load is at 3.80%
I earlier today had 3 on... and load was above 6%....
Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.....
-EDIT-
Been watching for the last hour.... number of users online seems to
have no real correlation with server load.....
-EDIT-
OK...
now I have 2 users logged on and CPU is at 12%! Looks like I
need to
get MORE users to log on (sarcasm). I have a real strong
feeling
something is amis with this whole metering system... 
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tarheit
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How
do you
see the server load for a given account? I didn't think that
was
possible on shared accounts except by the lp staff.
-Tim
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lonnyl
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In
Cpanel - in the left hand side column - under header "General Server
Information" - by "Service Status" - click "Click to View".
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daniels
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Hello
lonnyl,
That is actually the server itself and does not have to do directly
with your account.
That is the aggregate usage of all websites run on the shared server.
You cannot judge your usage through that.
The only way to get your usage is through one of our system
administrators via our helpdesk system.
I hope that this was helpful.
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lonnyl
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No...
not helpful at all.... so this means that I have no idea if I am
"abusing" the system with my website or not.
I
do not look forward to another shutdown... and if such is the case,
then I have absolutely no idea if the changes I have made are doing any
good....
Nor can I get a picture of just how many users I can allow to log on at
once....
Nor
do I understand how my going over 1% could cause a problem when the
server has never topped 15% when I have been watching (and from what I
understand from reading other posts is that this is only 1 of 4
processors that the meter is displaying).
So... I've spend 2
days trying to clean things up, checking scripts... switching between
connect and pconnect methods for nothing......
If I am to be
responsible for keeping the sites server load below 1% then I darn well
better be able to accurately monitor the statistic.
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Tracie
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We
can't give you access to those tools in a shared hosting environment.
If
you're on a shared hosting plan, there are limits to how many server
resources one account can use. Any reputable host would pose those
limits if they want *all* customers on those servers to have
fair use,
access, and speedy connection to said servers.
Our terms of services does cover abuse.
"4.9 You agree not to undertake any action which is harmful or
potentially harmful to the Lunarpages server structure."
Most
come back saying that's vague when it comes to the server, but it has
to be. There is no way we can create a list of what could potentially
harm the server structure as the list would be end up being
never-ending. One run-away or poorly coded script is all it can take in
some cases.
There are other things listed, however, such as no spam, etc: http://www.lunarpages.com/legal.php
Many
people try to take sites that use a lot of resources and fit it into
budget hosting and that is not always possible. We do as much as we can
to help but ultimately it is the user's responsibility to ensure their
site is not causing load on the server. We are more than willing to
give you the stats for your site, as well to help you monitor it.
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lonnyl
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Well...
Tracie... That was a very kind and vague response.
I would love to have them help me.... that is if I could get a response
(almost 2 days now).
I still find the answers I have gotten from tech support rather
vauge....
I after reading through many pages and threads fear I am seeing a web
hosting version of bait and switch.
I hate to be this harsh, but I have recieved nothing but vague answers
and excuses.
We are more
than willing to give you the stats for your site, as well to help you
monitor it.
Great
I would be happy to get them.... In an understandable form.... E-mailed
to me daily... how would I go about getting that to happen?
At the same time... I can get a good look at total server load.
That is
actually the server itself and does not have to do directly with your
account.
The server load has yet to go above 15% as I have been monitoring
it.....
Which
to me indicates that for all the users that must be on this server, I
find it hard to believe that I am taking up 1/3 to 1/2 of that load.
I can't be bluffed... I've run linux servers for years, and do expect
clear and concise answers.
Now
at this time my site is running and not suspended, but would not want
to see it go down again. Also you have the capabilty of
throttling cpu
usage... Instead you are suspending and upselling.
Again, I
did not want to be harsh..... but at the same time expect to be treated
as I would treat my customers, and so far it been react and make
excuses.....
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Tracie
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If
you PM me your domain name I can look up your account for you.
For the server load, Daniel explained that what you see in cPanel is
not correct. You can read why here: cPanel Server Status Feature
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Tracie
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I
would also like to note that we are in no-way trying to bluff you or
pull a bait and switch. That is not the way Lunarpages does business.
When
an account is consistently using too many resources in shared hosting,
it may not be suitable for shared hosting, period. What should we do?
Allow the account to stay on our servers anyway and risk losing other
customers on that server because they are sick of slow loading servers?
Obviously the answer is no. And the rest of the customers on the server
appreciate what we do to keep the servers fast and reliable.
I
have not yet seen your ticket so I do not know all the details. In
cases like this we give several options in addition to suggesting a
dedicated server, including a pro-rated refund if your account is not
suitable for shared hosting, which benefits Lunarpages in no way
whatsoever.
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lonnyl
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I
understand your position......
I
however cannot be held responsible for keeping my load down, if I
cannot monitor it. On the same hand we are purchasing
php/mysql
capable sites that are not capable of running php/mysql under
reasonable load (under your terms). Now... that said, my site
has run
lightning fast from day 1 and continues to do so. I find it
hard to
believe that my little site is dragging down your servers... I've run
the same site and code (updated regularly) for years on a Athlon 1800+
512MB ram without incident (Charter shut down my connection due to more
than 60 gig of traffic per month, hence my moving the site
here). I
find it hard to believe that you are running anything near that
slow.
I
really do understand the sentiment.... I do however believe the
sentiment is being taken a bit far. But enough badgering on
my
part.... I hope we can find a way for me to monitor my usage so I can
BE ACCOUNTABLE for my usage.
-EDIT-
I would also like to note
the php is running as CGI and will/can use a custom php.ini.
However
there is a lack of a sample php.ini available from LP. I
would think
something like that would be made available (even as copy and paste in
the forums here) for a person to start with, as well as acceptable
starting values and settings. Such a thing would save alot of
time and
possibly some incorrect settings.
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Tracie
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Our
servers can take a lot of load. And we monitor them constantly. Once it
reports a higher than average load, we start to look for the cause
BEFORE it drags down/slows down the server. As we should in the
services we are offering. The point is we don't want the
servers to
*ever* get dragged down by one account.
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lonnyl
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That thread still lacks a sample php.ini file.....
I
do beleive that is something that could and should be
provided.
Obviously LP techs know what works best with your systems, and a
php.ini with the recommended settings already set would be the simplest
way to go. Not to mention it would propably reduce the tech
support
load quite a bit.
Thank you Tracie for the info on my server load... Hopefully a
resolution is in sight.
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lonnyl
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Ok....
the numbers still make no sense.
I am going to go over what I have learned.
The number in CPanel is for then entire server, not just my site.
The number in CPanel is for one of 4 processors, hence by your own
techs words in another thread needs to be divided by 4.
My usage is only a part of this number and others sites usage makes up
the rest of the number.
Hence, my usage is lower than this number.
With 9 users logged in
With 1 user logged in
The following stats were taken at 2 minute intervals.
Now some stats that I kepts this moring
7 Users logged in
.87
.90
.76
1.62
now those numbers quartered as per LP tech statements.
.22
.23
.19
.41
1 User logged in
1.28
2.12
1.79
1.89
now those numbers quartered as per LP tech statements.
.32
.53
.45
.47
Now...
as one can see. With 9 users on, assuming I am using all of
the
servers resources (the reality is that there are other sites using it
as well), I would still be under the limit. The other thing
that shows
me that others are using the server as well are the high numbers when
everyone logged off (except for 1). The numbers I recieved
from LP
were 4% average usage. This would mean that I would need at
least 25
users logged on all day to attain those numbers. I have the
site
limited to 15 with an average of 6 logged on at a time. I
should also
mention that LP once again tried to upsell me... Now... I
know php and
ASP... these numbers are available to tech support, and with 10 to 20
minutes effort the number in CPANEL could reflect the stat available to
tech support.
Come on guys... lets actually deal with the issue.
PS. How does one actually know what server your site is on?
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Jay
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As
a note, and I have not read the entire thread at this point, but:
There
is a thread somewhere in the forums (I'd have to look) where I have
explained previously that the CPanel 'status' page is virtually useless.
It's not an accurate depiction of what is truly occuring on the server.
Nor can you assume that your Site activity w 1 or more people actually
reflects on that particular status page.
What
we see on the server side, (not through CPanel) and what we see with
our other monitoring tools (not CPanel) are completely and far more
accurate than what we see displayed in the CPanel.
I will
apologize for any misunderstanding, however, this situation is becoming
more of a debate than a request for assistance to reduce Load on your
account and content.
There is no specific 'sample' php.ini file
that you could use, however, you could always check the default
phpinfo, and go from there. If you download php 4.4.1 from
the php.net
site, you can also get a default php.ini, and go from there as well.
Also,
you can review the Critical account information details that you
received at activation to find out what production server the account
is on, however, if you have been moved to a non-production server for
any reason, you could likely find out by running a quick traceroute to
your domain.
If you have specific questions about this situation
lonnyl, I would advise reply to any existing ticket you have open with
the System admins. We cannot assist you with any of this
through the
Lunarforums community board.
- Jay
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